tv Sunday Morning Futures With Maria Bartiromo FOX Business June 18, 2017 6:00pm-7:01pm EDT
plaza and florida georgia line, how am i missing this? one of my favorite bands. have a great sunday, everyone. ♪ ♪ maria: good morning. house speaker paul ryan set to deliver a big speech on tax reform this upcoming week, but after congressman steve scalise' shooting is the political atmosphere too toxic to get anything done? meanwhile, the decision to send thousands more u.s. troops to afghanistan may soon be announced, and a new era in the u.s./cuba relationship begins. hi, everybody, i'm maria bartiromo, welcome to sunday morning futures. president trump turning aside obama administration policy on havana. where do relations with cuba go from here? i'll talk with florida senator marco rubio about that momentarily, and we'll get his take on the prospects for quick tax reform and health care as well.
also congress gets back to work tomorrow after the shooting at a gop baseball practice. what role did overheated rhetoric play in that tragedy? congressman mo brooks was there and helped save the lives of scalise and others. he will join us live. plus, the war in afghanistan, more american troops are likely on the way, but are are we winning this war? i'll talk with house armed services committee chairman mac thornberry as we look ahead right now on "sunday morning futures." ♪ ♪ maria: president trump making a big announcement on friday, the rollback with of president obama's outreach to cuba. [applause] >> usa! usa! usa! maria: the announcement welcomed with open arms by a cheering crowd in miami who were chanting "usa." president trump stopping short of a full reversal of the obama administration's deal with the communist country, but the new
policy moves to restrict individual travel to the island. it cracks down on the flow of u.s. cash to the cuban military and demands key reforms in havana. joining me right now is republican senator marco rubio of florida who helped craft the new policy and was with president trump in miami. senator, good to see you. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. thank you. maria: wow, what a reception you received with this new policy. >> yeah. maria: why do you think people want to see this policy change? why is is it so important to you, senator? >> well, first of all, it's democracy and human rights in our region is critical to the united states. look at the migratory pressure whether it's people coming across the border from central america or mexico or people on rafts coming from haiti or cuba. it's all driven by one thing, and that is the lack of political freedoms and the lack of human rights and economic rights. and so the united states has a national security interest in our region. if you look at the western hemisphere, every country in the region has had at least one free
and fair election except for one, cuba, in almost 65 or 70 years. that needs to change. now, the obama policy towards cuba made all sorts of concessions. those concessions have allowed the cuban military which controls upwards of 50, 60% of their economy to enrich itself and tighten its grip, and we're reversing that. the president is reversing that. what he is saying is if americans travel to cuba now, you will have to spend your money with private, individual cubans, not with the cuban military. that is a very appropriate thing, and i don't understand how anyone could argue that we should not have a policy that enriches the cuban people instead of the cuban military. maria: this weekend when you were with president trump, it seemed like the two of you have just put aside any differences that you had and were truly working together. why the change from your standpoint? has president trump done something beyond in that has changed your relationship with him? >> yeah. i just think this whole relationship thing is overblown.
he was a competitor of mine out of 17 people that ran for president. it's like asking two boxers are you mad that he punched you in the face in the ring, and is he mad that you punched him back. that's why you're boxing. that's what you do when you're competitors. when the race is over, the race is over. boxers don't keep punching themselves in the dressing room or when they see each oh the next day. we ran against each other. he won the republican nomination. i'm a republican. i'm not going to support hillary clinton. he got elected, he's the president of the united states. you don't have to agree with the president of your party on every single issue in order to want him to succeed. president trump's success is america's success. it's not his individual success. offing i want the -- of course i want the president to be successful, and in this particular case the president made -- was keeping a campaign commitment that he made in my state, in my community where i grew up and of course i'm going to help him do it in the right and best way possible. maria: that's terrific, senator. i want to ask you about working
with the president, because you've got a lot on the agenda, and our viewers really want to understand where you are on that. but first, let me get this from you, because the president did face some pressure from u.s. businesses. the fact that jetblue, other airlines have been flying to cuba. so he didn't roll back everything president obama did, and it basically protected some of the airlines and transportation companies that they can continue to do business, correct? what was behind that? >> but it wasn't pressure from the businesses. i never asked him to roll those back because if those airlines can't fly to cuba, the people who control charter companies? the cuban military. i would much rather have american airlines flying people into cuba on regular flights than have them chartering their planes to a company that's a pro-castro company operate anything the united states of america. again, this is not about denying americans access to cuba, this is about complying with the law first and foremost. and second, it's about insuring that once they get to cuba, you
know, the plane trip is one thing. once they get to cuba, americans will have to spend their dollars and their money on individual cubans, not at facilities owned and controlled by the cuban military. that was the rationale behind that. maria: senator, let me can you to give us some clarity on the agenda right now. there's a health care bill sitting in the senate. a lot of people are wondering what the progress looks like because you've got to get health care done before you move on to tax reform. big items on the agenda, the dems are pushing back every day to try to to obstruct that agenda in help hopes that the president and the congress doesn't get anything done in this first year. where is the health care bill right now? what would be the timeline and clarity from your standpoint that you could give us? >> and there is a lot of confusion about that. of there's a group in the senate working with input from all of us. any one of us senators on the republican side who wants to have input on the republican replacement bill has the opportunity to do so. that group is going to produce a first draft, so to speak, a starting point. but after that happens that
doesn't become the law, that's got to work its way through a committee, through floor action, every senator will have a right to offer amendments to change the law. so this is part of a process. this is just the first step in the process. it is not unusual or unique for a product like this to begin its first step among a core group and then to expand to the broader group of the entire senate. it's a better process than when they did obamacare. they rammed it down the those of the american people using all sorts of, you know, measures to kind of get it through as quickly as possible where nancy pelosi famously said let's pass it so we can see what's in it. that's not the way this is going to happen. and, of course, even if it passes the senate, it still has to go back to the house for them to debate and look at it. people are pretending like it's going to go from some back room in the senate right to the president's desk. there's a lot that's going to happen in between, and there will be opportunities to change parts that someone doesn't agree with. maria: what opportunities? here we are close to july.
you want to execute an agenda this year so that perhaps you don't lose seats next year in 2018. do you think you can get this done by july 4th? >> i do. well, i don't know about july 4th, but i do believe it can get done. i would rather us do it right than do it fast, because no matter what passes, if it isn't good or it has some unintended consequence, the president is going to be held possible for that, republicans are going to be held responsible for that. let's not repeat the mistakes the democrats made. the democrats rushed their product through because they were afraid they were going to lose their 60-vote majority in the senate, and they paid the price for eight years because of that, and the american people paid an each greater price. we don't want to repeat that mistake. this is complicated. it's 50 states, 50 different marketplaces for insurance. we're going to get it right. and that may take longer than people want, but in the end, you're going to get a better product, and you're dealing with health care which is a massive part of our economy, not to mention a huge impact on people's lives. maria: so you think you can get
health care and tax reform done in 2017 or are we talking '18? >> well, i think health care will happen this year. tax reform, we'll see. there's a component that i'm working with ivanka trump on, the pro-family component of it. and we argue parents should be able to keep more of their own money to raise their children. we're a pro-family party, we believe in strengthening families and, in fact, we'll have a meeting this week with her and a number of senators and house members to lay out that portion of the agenda. these things can work simultaneously. you don't have to wait to finish on health care before you start formulating ideas on tax reform, and that's happening right now. maria: and real quick, senator, before you go, you were one of the few who really put it out there when you interviewed jim comey at the testimony two weeks ago, and you said to him, look, isn't it interesting that everything got leaked except the fact that donald trump was not under investigation? now there are calls for bob mueller to go. should president trump fire bob mueller because of a conflict of
interest, his relationship with jim comey? no? >> no. a couple things. first of all, with comey i wasn't being hostile, i was just basically in the end asking why -- all the president asked for is that comey do for him what he ended up doing for himself, which is putting information out there to put out his version or his side of the truth. that's really the point of my questioning. and as far as bob mueller's concerned, let me just say this: the best thing that can happen for the president, the best thing for the president and for america is for there to be a full and thorough investigation. i don't have any reason to doubt the credibility of bob mueller to conduct this, and i honestly believe this and i say it again, let there be a full investigation on everything. let it all come out. let it all be looked at, because that is in the best interest of the president. i honestly, deeply and truly believe that. maria: senator rubio, thank you so much, sir. >> thank you. maria: we appreciate it. meanwhile, a positive development to report for house majority whip steve scalise, doctors giving an update on his
condition after he was shot at a congressional baseball proximate. we've got that next. i'm also talking with the heroic lawmaker who helped save scalise's life. let us know what you'd like to hear from congressman mo brookses on deck next as we look ahead on "sunday morning futures" right now. ♪ ♪ i am totally blind.
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wounded seriously in wednesday's shooting at a republican baseball practice outside of washington. congressman mo brooks helped save scalise's life and helped save a staffer by using his belt as a tourniquet to stop the blood from getting lost. meanwhile, brooks' name was found on a list of republican lawmakers the gunman was carrying. he was on the target list. joining me right now is alabama congressman mo brooks. congressman, it's good to have you on the program this morning, thanks so much for joining us. >> my pleasure, maria. maria: congressman, you may know this, i know our audience knows this, congressman scalise joined me on the program last sunday. i believe that was his last interview before this week's tragic shooting. last week the congressman was here, and i just want to say on a personal level, i want to send my very best wishes to congressman scalise right now as he continues to strengthen and also my best wishes to his family around him. he is a friend to this program, and we are wishing him our very best. congressman brooks, can you give
us an update on congressman scalise's condition? >> et seems that steve -- it seems that steve is improving. the medical treatment that he is getting is having very good results. the medical people, personnel themselves, they've done a tremendous job helping steve scalise recover to the point that he has. quite frankly, i did not realize that he was so close to death, the way it was described when he arrived at the hospital, so i'm very much encouraged by the progress that steve is making. our prayers and thoughts are with him and his family, and we hope that it will continue to move in the right direction. maria: you know, much of the conversation in addition to worries over his life and his health as well as the other staffers that were with him was also on the fact that had he not been there, congressman, it could have been a lot worse, it could have been a bloodbath because he's the only one who had detail of officers who carry guns who could actually take down the shooter. so has that triggered a change,
in your mind? do you want to see a different security setup for congress in this day and age? >> well, absolutely, i do. one thing -- and i'm going to be introducing legislation this week to do this -- is to allow congressmen to carry a side arm should they so desire. right now when we're in washington, d.c., once're off the complex, we're still high profile targets, but we have absolutely no way to defend ourselves because of washington, d.c.'s restrictive gun laws. we're high profile targets for the bad guys, the lone wolves, the terrorists, and i'll be introducing legislation to that effect this week. maria: your name was one of the few names on the shooter's assassination hit list. this list was found on him, the suspect, of course, was killed after wounding the five people at the congressional baseball practice. what did you think when you
first learned that you were on his hit list? he wanted to till you? >> i'm very much concerned by that as i'm sure my staff is, my family and friends are. you've got a situation where, yes, this one shooter has been killed, but he's the member of an organization that applauded what transpired on wednesday. and so those of us who are on this assassination list, we -- it behooves us to be a little bit more wary than we otherwise might be. maria: all right. you know, we're all worried about steve scalise and, of course, his staffers as well. i want to ask you though about the agenda, because as we all pray for his condition to improve, the questions about your agenda are getting louder, congressman. are you going to be able to have the votes for health care, for tax reform that you need to execute your agenda given what has taken place? >> well, quite frankly, almost everything is moot unless the senate changes the way in which it operates. i watched congressman duncan
hunter earlier, and he was spot on when he said the obstructionism occurs in the united states senate. by way of example, the house during the last session of congress, we passed over 500 pieces of legislation to address various issues that the senate did not even bother to have a senate floor vote on. and now the senate once again is empowering the democrats to be obstructionists and to block what president trump, what a majority of the house and a majority of the senate was elected to accomplish, much to the dissatisfaction of all those voters that sent us to washington d.c. so unless the senate changes the way in which they operate, i'm a aa grade you're going to continue to see this kind of deadlock without the kind of improvements that the people sent us to washington, d.c. to implement. maria: but are you expecting any changes in the senate? i mean, is there any reason to believe they're going to change anything? are you telling us right now you're not going to get the agenda do done? >> not unless we start changing -- i am telling you that, in my judgment, the senate, a majority of the republicans has empowered a minority, the democrats, to block every single thing that we
want to get a passed with the exception of one bill a year through a process called budget reconciliation that cannot cover all the issues that need to be covered. and that very much hamstrings us. it's been a frustration point for the house of representatives during the entire last session of congress, that two-year period -- maria: right. >> and here we are again seeing the same thing unfolding where the united states senate is allowing a minority of democrats to block the will of the president, to block the will of the majority of the house, to block the will of the majority of the senate and of all the american voters who sent us there. and the american voters need to start getting on the senate. they need to get their ruleses changed so they can adequately address these very important problems that we as a country face. maria: so you don't know if you'll be able to get tax reform or tax cuts done in 2017, is that what you're saying? >> i don't know. i'll be mildly surprised if we're able to get new the senate the legislation that we promised the american people that we would pass. i'm confident that the house will do its work, but i'm not so confident with respect to the
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♪ ♪ maria: welcome back. president trump giving the pentagon authority to set force levels in afghanistan. defense officials reportedly planning to send nearly 4,000 additional troops to afghanistan, though no decision has been made yet. this on the heels of defense secretary james mattis giving lawmakers this stark assessment of where we are in the war just last week. listen. >> do you agree that we're not winning in afghanistan? >> sir, i understand the urgency, i understand it's my responsibility. we're not winning in afghanistan
right now. maria: joining me right now is congressman mac thornberry, republican from texas, who is the chairman of the house armed services committee. mr. chairman, good to have you on the program. thanks so much for us. >> thanks for having me. more r -- maria: your reaction to what we just heard from mr. mattis. >> i think that's right. it is, at best, a stalemate in afghanistan, and we have to do something different. i think what a lot of people may have forgotten is president obama put artificial troop caps on how many folks we could have in afghanistan. so we had a situation where helicopters would go over there, but they didn't take the maintainers with them to stay under the troop caps. they had to hire contract maintainers and do all sorts of moving people around just to stay under these artificial caps. so i think a lot of what secretary mattis is looking at is doing away with those political caps, just figure out what it really takes to do the mission. maria: what do you want to see in terms of these additional troops going to afghanistan?
i want to focus really on what your priority is right now. in the next two weeks, the priority is the budget, and you're focused squarely on budgeting defense. >> yeah, absolutely. because the fundamental principle i start from is if we're going to send men and women out on a mission, they ought to have everything this country can provide in the way of weapons, equipment and training to make that as successful a mission as possible. and that includes afghanistan, that includes wherever they are all around the world. it is our job to fully support them. unfortunately, we've cut defense spending about 20% during the last obama years, and so we don't have the best equipment, the best training. we've got to turn that around, and this is the opportunity to do it. maria: we've been talking for a long time about the oldest navy in several decades, the oldest fleet there, the oldest army also in several decades. this money that you're talking about, the additional money in
the budget toward defense, is that going to go towards that? or are you talking about raising numbers because you want to deal with the issue at hand, meaning not -- winning in afghanistan? >> well, it is true that putting some more people in afghanistan will have some cost. but as i just mentioned, there was also a cost to playing games by hiring contractors to maintain the helicopters. so there may be some costs. but the bigger issue is we need to have planes that fly and ships that sail and soldiers, marines, airmen and sailors who are trained for their mission. and we've been taking shortcuts in recent years. and that is wrong on every level. maria: well, who's taking the shortcuts? we were just talking with your colleague, mo brooks, about the broader agenda here. and i want to get your thoughts on that as well. he's putting the blame on the senate. is that where you put the blame? >> well, i think there's a lot
of blame to go arounden when it comes to defense -- around when it comes to defense in recent years. remember, congress passed this budget control act. it was supposed to move us to curtail mandatory spending. it didn't. so defense, which is now about 15% of the budget, took 50% of the cuts. president trump ran on rebuilding our military. i think there is a big majority in republicans, democrats, house and senate who agree we've got to rebuild the military. this is the opportunity to do that. and i think this is one part of the agenda we can really come together on. maria: all right. so you can come together on that part of the agenda. what about the rest of the a agenda, congressman? where are you on tax cuts and health care? when we just finished that conversation with mo brooks, he did not sound optimistic. you've got heavy, you know, a big agenda on docket here, and it's july almost. are you going to be able to get this done? >> el, i think -- well, i think
so. obviously, you're not going to get democrats to support repealing and replacing obamacare. so republicans are going to have to come together and put aside individual differences. but we ran on that. so i think we have to. on tax reform there is a lot of agreement. nobody thinks it's smart for us to have the highest corporate tax rate in the world. it hurts our economy. so i can't tell you at the end of the day how broad and deep the tax reform will be, but i'm pretty optimistic that anybody who's focused on our economy, job creation, rising incomes, doing the right thing for american workers will support some sort of tax reform. maria: all right. we'll be watching. sir, thanks so much for joining us this morning. we appreciate your time, the chairman of the house armed services, mac thornberry, there. the toxic atmosphere in washington with, what role did overheated rhetoric play in the shooting of steve scalise? newt gingrich will join me on
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joining me right now, former house speaker newt gingrich. mr. speaker, it's always a pleasure to speak with you, and i remember the days -- i know our audience remember it is days when you would go out for a coffee with your colleagues on the left, and you would actually have a conversation and a friendship that went beyond the chamber. what has happened? >> well, let me say, first of all, on this father's day, i do hope everybody will keep steve scalise and his family, also the policewoman expect staffs who were shot, keep all of them in your prayers today, because they need it. steve was wounded much more severely than people thought, so they really do need your prayers this father's day. look, we've had a -- i think what really, we've seen the left over the last, oh, 20, 25 years get more and more and more militant. i spoke to the college republican national convention on thursday, about three or four hundred students. i said how many of you feel intimidated on campus for being republican or being pro-trump?
one out of every three hands went upful -- up. there's that much intensity in the country at large. and i think that's a big part of what you're seeing drift into the whole process of politics. it's not that you can't find ways to be bipartisan, and it's not that, frankly, we couldn't do a somewhat better job. but i think in all fairness there have been, for example, the veterans administration reform bill had a huge bipartisan majority. the 21st century cures act had a huge bipartisan majority. those things are not automatically partisan. but the underlying fight, i mean, everything from the controversies about russia to the way in which the senate has held up the nominees and made it harder to run the government all the way down, you do have a radical difference in how we want america to operate. and it's not personality-driven. it's very, very deeply driven by fundamentally different views of the world. maria: i'm just wopped oring
though if it's a -- wondering if it's a radical difference among republicans. you just heard what mo brooks told us, newt. i want to play the sound bite from congressman brooks, because he basically blamed it all on the senate. what's your take on that, mr. speaker, in terms of mo brooks saying, look, we pass legislation in the house, and it goes to the senate to die, you know? i know that chuck schumer and his democrat colleagues want to obstruct the agenda. they don't want to see tax reform, they don't want to see replacement for obamacare even though the american people voted for that. it looks like they're winning. >> well, i think they're only winning until the republicans learn to go to the country. i worked with reagan on the tax cuts of 1981, i worked with him on a number of other things. he understood, and there's a wonderful small book called the education of ronald reagan which studies his time at general electric. and he understood that if he could, as he put it, turn up the
light for the american people so they would turn up the heat on congress, that he could get a lot of stuff done. there are enough democrats up for re-election next year in the senate in states that trump carried that if the republicans would organize a serious grassroots campaign, if you go for tax cuts rather than tax reform, if you build a bill that is deficit-neutral rather than revenue-neutral, you can have so many people in their home states who want that bill that they're not going to be able to stop it. if you build the right kind of bill in terms of infrastructure, you can have so many people back home who want it that they can't stop it. as obamacare keeps collapsing, when you get some of these states like missouri, north dakota where literally the problems are so great, if we could go out and sell the replacement, then people back home would say to their senators, you've got to vote for this. i mean, we've -- i went through this when we passed welfare reform.
we split the democrats evenly. we had 101 yes, 101 no because back home people were saying to them at the town hall meetings you've got to be for welfare reform. so part of this is a republican party that isn't selling the issues back home, isn't creating the momentum and not being clear enough about why these things are good for you. not just good for the country, but good for you as a perp. maria: well, you hit on a hot of important things there. i want to talk about deficit-neutral versus revenue-neutral. but first, in terms of selling the policy here, mr. speaker, this has been the conversation we're having all year, that they can't sell a policy. they can't communicate what they're trying to do. when you're talking about health care, you're talking about people's health care x. in terms of resonating with the american people, in terms of what the bill includes relating to their health care is critical, are they ever going to be able to sell it? i mean, we're in july almost. >> yeah, look, i can't tell you right now. i mean, as you know because i
was on your show the other day about it, i wrote a book called "understanding trump," and the whole purpose was to say, look, you've got to start with the fact that he is the president and what are we going to do now to work with the reality of his strengths and his weaknesses? well, i would say the same thing to the house and senate. if you can't write a health bill which people think is better for them, you're not going to be able to pass it in the long run and, frankly, it would be exactly like obamacare. it'll blow up in your face. and i think the republicans are not focusing enough on the politics of individuals. i mean, i'll tell you on health, for example, the number one question everybody's going to ask is what does it do about preconditions. why is that? not because they're ideologically left or right, but because they know somebody with a precondition. maria: right. >> you've got to start with where people are and then write the bill. you don't write the bill and then try to sell people. maria: real quick, you've hit on
exactly the issue that they're fighting over. so one part of it is a border adjustment tax. the house has this border adjustment tax in there because they want to raise a trillion dollars so that they can be deficit this neutral. you say forget about being deficit-neutral -- >> no, no, no. here's the problem. if you try to write a revenue-neutral bill, all of it has to occur in the tax cold. and that means you're in a situation where you've got to raise taxes on somebody in order to cut taxes for somebody else. well, everybody you raise taxes on gets be pissed off, and the people you're cutting taxes op don't believe it because it doesn't happen for a couple years. so you're in a really dangerous net losing environment politically. i'll give you an example. if we were to reform medicare and medicaid and go to the same kind of anti-fraud system that american express, visa and mastercard use, you probably save $100 billion a year. that's a trillion dollars over ten years. if we took the unnecessary
federal property the federal government owns, 76,000 buildingses, if you took the least important 10,000 of them, you probably could raise a couple billion dollars. if you look at a place like nevada where the federal government owns 80% of the state, surely some could be available for the private sector. if you do oil and gas and mining rights on federal property, you probably raise at least a half trillion to a trillion over ten years. all these things are doable if you have a will to go out and if it's deficit-neutral, you take all of these savings, and you can apply it to the tax cut. if it's revenue-neutral, none of those savings count. the reason i got to this is in the 19th century this is how the british continually cut taxes, because what they said to people is we're going to be very frugal with the government, but we're going to be generous with your pocketbook. and so every year they cut a little spending, and they cut a little taxes. and it went on for almost 40 years.
maria: so they'll find that trillion dollars that would have been raised from the border adjustment tax, they'll find it somewhere else if they are -- >> they could. maria: -- if they are deficit-neutral. >> they could. maria: mr. speaker, thanks so much for joining us. the battle over health care reform heats up with gop lawmakers pushing for a senate vote by the end of the month. our panel is next on deck as we look ahead right now on "sunday morning futures." ♪ ♪
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mary kissell is a member of the wall street journal's editorial board. she's host of the opinion journal, good to see you both, thank you so much for joining us. i said did you see the mo brooks interview, because he joined us at the top of the show and was not sure about getting the agenda executed. here's what he just said, i've got the get your reaction to this, both of you. listen. >> the senate, a majority of the republicans has empowered a minority, the democrats, to block every single thing that we want to get passed with the exception of one bill a year through a process called budget reconciliation that cannot cover all the issues that need to be covered. and that very much hamstrings us. it's been a frustration point for the house of representatives during the entire last session of congress, that two-year period x here we are again seeing the same thing unfolding where the united states senate is allowing a minority of democrats to block the will of the president, to block the will of the majority of the house, to block the will of the majority of the senate and to block the
of all the american voters who sent us there. more pr the ageneral a that is number one -- agenda is number one purity for the american people. we -- priority for the american people. we call chuck schumer every week to join us on this program so we can ask him these questions. we will continue calling him every week for our viewers who want that. your reaction to mo brooks. >> i think he's absolutely accurate, unfortunately. i think the minority does get to control the senate. schumer now is in a mindset of we're going to do everything ec to stop trump and republicans' agenda, and i think they're going to be able to do that. that's the absurdity of this plan of 60 votes needed to pass stuff. the senate has changed dramatically since it was first put into the constitution. there's no reason they can't change the rules again and make it a majority rule. maria: mary, what do you think? >> i don't think it's ideal to pass health care reform through reconciliation, but the political reality is democrats
will not cross the aisle to make compromises with republicans. this is what republicans are forced into doing. and with respect to the congressman, he's not sitting in the senate talking and hashing out the deals that need to be made. look, we already know what the outline of the senate bill is going to be. they're going to make the house tax credits more generous. they're going to give more power to the states to experiment. slower wind-down of medicaid expansion. they may not give -- they might not be as aggressive as getting rid of the obamacare tax cuts as they once thought. you had senator rubio coming on earlier in the show saying that process is continuing, and let's hope that he's right. maria: he said it's a long process. so i'm just wondering if they're going to be able to get this done in 2017. >> i'm not sure they are. and equally important, i think it's a flawed process. exactly what the democrats did last time, there's no public hearing, no committee hearings. historically, bills go to committees, you have open hearings, you come up with a
bill and basically put it to the floor. they're attempting to draft a bill and shove it through, no one's going to know what it is and try to amend it on the floor of the senate. this bill is very unpopular with the american public, and the president and the congress has to go sell it. maria: it's exactly what they did with obamacare -- >> i don't know if it is -- maria: behind secret doors, still don't know what's in it. >> that's the talking point of the left, come on. paul ryan had the better way plan, gave us the outline of this bill. you have had republicans working for years on the various aspects. you just have a disagreement within the caucus because you had some states take the medicaid expansion and other states who didn't, and now they're trying to come to a compromise, and you're seeing that with governor kasich of ohio saying, you know what? maybe we can wind down that expansion, let's just do it over a longer period of time. we're going to have those committee hearings. look, they're not going to pass this bill on christmas eve like harry reid did with obamacare.
i just don't think that's deny. maria: sounds like you're a little bit more optimistic. >> i am. >> there's a big difference, democrats had about 25 more house members than we have today. we basically have a very narrow shot. any two senators going south on us on this particular bill, it's dead and gone. maria: yeah. they need ever vote. >> they need every single vote. and now with the tragedy of scalise's injury this week, i don't think we have enough votes to pa it in the house. >> but there's more political pressure, because the exchanges are deteriorating. republicans are going to have to pass something, either the repeal and replace reform that they want or pass a bill to shore up obamacare because the pressure from the public will be sum my too great. maria: yeah. >> not to mention the pressure of next year's election which i think is starting to exert more influence -- >> i would rather take a little bit more time and let this be a bill that can be fixed in the future and move forward than pass a bad bill that becomes the republican bill that ends up being --
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maria: we're back with ed rollins, mary kissel, and one of the reasons that the agenda has been stalled is because of this noise of the russia probe that had been unending since the president took office, mary. where are you on robert mueller right now, special counsel? give me your thoughts sphwhrflt well, first of all, this is starting to hook like a witch hunt, i think. we know president trump was not under investigation by the fbi. we know that he did not ask the fbi direct or -- or, rather, order him to drop an investigation, and we know that it was well within the president's rights to dismiss the fbi director. he has that power as president. we gave that power to the president after the buys of j. edgar hoover.
so what exactly is mueller investigating here? >> well, we've moved from investigating whether russians were involved in our election, which they were, to basically investigating the president, and this president is terribly distracted by all of this, as he should be. it's unfair, and the reality is he's got four big posts in the cabinet -- treasury, state, attorney general and defense -- and now we don't have the political leadership in the attorney general. we need a new attorney general, and i have great respect for sessions. what i would do is i'd ask him to resign and make him a counselor to the president. let him come to the white house and advise the president on how to deal with the congress and the justice department, and he's free of all this stuff. maria: wow. >> put one in who had nothing to do with the campaign who could run that department. maria: wouldn't that be a huge blow, to ask jeff sessions to resign, ed? >> the bottom line is he's going to be inwe -- ineffective. if you cripple him as he is today, i think to a certain extent he can't lead the
department effectively. let him, basically, advise -- maria: wow. i don't know why he recused himself in the beginning. >> he shouldn't have. clearly he wasn't involved with the russians can be. maria: that's a big statement. >> the alternative you just let the special counsel go off and to his investigation and start focusing more on getting big achievements done in congress rather than defending your honor through twitter. now, i understand why the president is upset. i would be upset too given what we learned from the vip comey hearing -- jim comey hearing, not to mention the fact that he was leaking and if he felt he was given an incorrect order by the president or inappropriate order, he should have stepped forward at that time. maria: and not be a leaker. and how about loretta lynch being an on to instructionist? telling him to call it a matter -- >> we need the administration to be disciplined, and it simply is not. the american people did not focus, for instance, on the big financial market reform that
congress passed, they're not focusing on the cuba announcement -- maria: that's a good point. >> i have great respect for sessions, he just can't do the job at this point in time. job at this point in time. maria: great panel. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. so dentures are cleaner, fresher, and brighter. polident. bburning of diabetic nerve pain these feet... liked to style my dog as a kid... and were pumped to open my own salon. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and she prescribed lyrica. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions, suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worse depression, unusual changes in mood or behavior, swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling or blurry vision. common side effects: dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain, swelling of hands, legs, and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica.
have a happy father's day. here is lou dobbs. lou: president trump is besieged by the dems, the deep state, and the national left-wing media and many of the elites of his own party. he's fighting a war for the soul of the nation. and the main battleground is washington, d.c. it's a swamp filled with ugly and dangerous creatures intent on the destruction of the trump presidency. mr. trump lashed out at the man leading what he calls a rich hunt. special counsel robert mueller and the man who appointed him, deputy attorney